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davywavy ([personal profile] davywavy) wrote2005-10-12 10:57 am

Ethnic cleansing. Stop, think, reconsider.

One wonders if, at some point in late 1945, the Germans and Soviet Russians suddenly regretted all the pogroms and the like which resulted in their Jews leaving to the United States to build atom bombs.

Just goes to show - don't pick on people smarter than you.*

*The Ashkenazi Jews have the joint highest** average testable IQ of any distinct racial grouping on Earth.

**With the Koreans.

[identity profile] silver-blue.livejournal.com 2005-10-12 11:08 am (UTC)(link)
Of course, it could all be a conspiracy and the Ashkenazi Jews and Koreans collaborated to create an IQ test that would provide them with positive results. :)

[identity profile] fionnghuala.livejournal.com 2005-10-12 01:03 pm (UTC)(link)
In Social Psychology, also, US work was massively enriched and altered by fleeing Jews. I wonder if that applies to all areas of intellectual life.

[identity profile] colin-boyle.livejournal.com 2005-10-12 02:49 pm (UTC)(link)
From Antony Beevor's "Berlin: the Downfall 1945"
After the end of the war, "...General Blumentritt referred to the Nazis' anti-semitism as 'mistaken developments since 1933'. 'Well-known scientists were thus lost,' he said, 'much to the detriment of our research, which in consequence declined from 1933 on.' His train of thought appears to include the ida that if the Nazis had not persecuted the Jews, then scientists like Einstein might have helped them produce better 'miracle weapons', perhaps even an atomic bomb to prevent the Bolsheviks overrunning Germany.'

So yes, the Germans did regret it, or at least regretted starting it before they had fully won.

Hmm...

[identity profile] applez.livejournal.com 2005-10-12 05:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, when the US was turning away shiploads of Jewish refugees...they did eventually bolt them to the military-industrial-research complex for technological successes ... but the Soviets ended up doing the same thing fairly shortly. ;-)

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One does have to admire the Koreans - they can produce an arsenal and probable fission weapons despite a land of little more than barren rock and massive starvation.

Re: Hmm...

[identity profile] davywavy.livejournal.com 2005-10-13 11:40 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not sure the word I would use to describe the North Koreans is 'admire', especially when the massive starvation is pretty much as a direct result of spending all their money on ordnance...

Re: Hmm...

[identity profile] applez.livejournal.com 2005-10-13 11:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Point is: plenty have starved their masses to death...few have successfully translated that horrific sacrifice into a viable weapon in quite the way the Koreans have.

Re: Hmm...

[identity profile] davywavy.livejournal.com 2005-10-14 08:47 am (UTC)(link)
Dunno - it worked pretty well for Stalin, and the Chinese bombs came out of the massive death & social turmoil of the Great Leap Forward in the 1950's and the Cultural revolution of the 60's. In the main, extreme left/Communist countries seem to hvae a pretty good civilian death/atom bomb ratio.

Re: Hmm...

[identity profile] applez.livejournal.com 2005-10-15 05:16 am (UTC)(link)
Ah ha ... so that's where all those Latin American dictators went wrong. ;-)

Alternately...

[identity profile] applez.livejournal.com 2005-10-12 05:16 pm (UTC)(link)
So long as you had someone as clever as Lenin inflicting the pogroms, one could maintain a close edge on the intelligence-cleansing gap ... but once you have a Stalin - too many slip through the cracks. ;-)