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Heading home last night, I noticed that the headline of one of the papers was "Worst banking crisis in a generation"; a reference to the secondary banking crisis of the early 1970's. The comparisons between the collapse of Northern Rock and the Secondary banking crisis are manifold and bear considering. By the late 1960's postwar growth in the UK economy was stalling and increases in personal taxes were making savings and investment less attractive places for people to put their money. In order to attempt to keep the economy growing, the government of the day kept interest rates low, meaning borrowing money was cheap - this fuelled a property boom, similar to that which we've seen over the last few years. In 1972 annual house price increases hit 50% as more and more people, spotting a fast buck, piled into the market. Financial institutions large and small piled into this market with cheap and easy credit readily available at low rates.
In any bubble, corrections are inevitable. Faced with rising inflation, the government put up interest rates to attempt to keep it in check. This had the knock-on effect of making borrowing harder, squeezing people with debt and also making it harder for banks to lend to each other with security. A rise in oil prices compounded the problem, slowing economic growth.
The crunch came with the collapse of the London and County Securities bank. In circumstances very similar to Northern Rock, London And County had its lines of credit withdrawn by the bigger banks due to its overexposure to high-risk debt in the face of rising interest rates. In the streets, people queued at the banks for their money.

Like I say, the parallels are striking.

The difference is what the government have done this time around and promised the creditors of Northern Rock that it is backed by the Bank of England. This is a rather quick shift in policy - last Wednesday, Governor of the Bank of England Mervyn King issued a statement that the moral hazard inherent in the provision of ex post insurance to institutions that have engaged in risky or reckless lending is no abstract concept. In other words, propping up Northern Rock is a bloody stupid thing to do, as it would send out all the wrong signals to people who lend to risky clients. He was promptly over-ruled by the treasury, giving a clear signal to the financial markets that so long as you lend big enough and recklessly enough, the taxpayer will be there to pick up the pieces.
In the early 1970's following the crunch inflation hit 27% and there were two solid years of recession. I'm not particularly hopeful this time round, especially as the treasury has recently been following the time-honoured and always-successful technique of printing more money when the coffers look a bit empty.

The reason I got to thinking about this is that, by an odd co-incidence, I know the guy who used to run the London and County Securities Bank. An entrepreneur, he bought the bank from a man he met in a nightclub, which I always thought a spectacularly great way of getting into international finance (I'm off to [livejournal.com profile] jillys and ARA next week, and I bet nobody tries to sell me a bank).

Date: 2007-09-18 01:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vulgarcriminal.livejournal.com
Soo..... I have this bank. It's a small bank, nice er, rounded architecture. Always a smiling face.... We just have to get the roof fixed as it has a small er, slice, taken out of it.

You in?

Date: 2007-09-18 01:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davywavy.livejournal.com
A strange but true story, it seems. Met a man in a club, got to chatting, ended the evening buying a bank with £5m in assets (about £50m today, so small beer), all of the books of which were in the boot of his car.

Date: 2007-09-18 01:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vulgarcriminal.livejournal.com
And on a side note, I'll never understand why the hell something that happened 40 years ago is so hard for people to remember.

I also can't imagine why anyone would be reluctant to trust Alistair Darling.

*ahem*

Date: 2007-09-18 01:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vulgarcriminal.livejournal.com
I'm going to the wrong sort of clubs.

Date: 2007-09-18 01:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davywavy.livejournal.com
Why would anyone not trust Alistair Darling? He said his word is his bond, just like he said last Wednesday that there was no problem with Northern Rock.

Date: 2007-09-18 01:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davywavy.livejournal.com
Of course they're the wrong sort - they're the sort of clubs I go to.

Date: 2007-09-18 02:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elbly.livejournal.com
This club he went to... wasn't one of those ones with funny handshakes by any chance was it?

It's fairly plausible these days that someone would have the books in the boot of their car... I mean 1000's of customers' have had their details stolen from people's houses, dumped in fields, found on landfill sites etc.

I can't help but sit here feeling all colours of smuggness! We have royally screwed ourselves in this country with our lack of industry and our almost soul reliance on financial services, retail and governmental services for employment.

Date: 2007-09-18 02:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davywavy.livejournal.com
This was an actual, genuine bank - it wasn't stolen personal details. back in the 1960's banks kept their records in books - details of transactions and debts and so on. He just bought it, lock stock & barrel

Date: 2007-09-18 02:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] applez.livejournal.com
Awww...and here I was expecting an update to that old Conservative sign (http://www.bbc.co.uk/education/asguru/generalstudies/culture/07advertising/pop07a.shtml).

Re: Waay ahead of you...

Date: 2007-09-18 03:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] applez.livejournal.com
That's more like it.

Re: Waay ahead of you...

Date: 2007-09-18 03:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] applez.livejournal.com
Well, if this stabilisation effort doesn't work, I guess we'll be reading headlines proclaiming "Flash in the Pan Gordon" eh? ;-)

Date: 2007-09-18 03:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elbly.livejournal.com
I realise it was real... what I'm saying is that people take work home with them, even when they probably shouldn't... hell I nearly lost all the details of 3&4yr olds in my local area when the boot of my car flew open while doing 60mph down the motorway...
From: [identity profile] applez.livejournal.com
Well, your brand of Conservatism is rather shameless. ;-)

Date: 2007-09-18 09:05 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Interesting to see you linking to Tim Congdon, who said earlier this year that house prices in this country are 40% above historical values. (Bit more than Greenspan with his 10% fall, but I see the Fed has taken it's usual 'ram the economy with funny money' approach to any liquidity crunch. The economists equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and singing 'not listening' whilst hoping the ship doesn't sink before you get your nice index linked pension.)

Date: 2007-09-19 09:36 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Always looking for an angle, check out who scored in the last Labour overspend inspired credit crunch: People with money. Not the mugs who stuck it in the bank and watched it eroded by monster inflation & ruinous taxes, but those who were able to pounce on undervalued assets (some stocks, property) - Van Hoegstraten, Hesseltine, to name but a couple - and keep up the payments. If you can afford the payments, you'll probably come out of this mess smelling of roses, it's just now probably isn't a smart time to make any big purchases.

Gordon's policy of allowing the super rich to gorge at the expense of the rest of us, in exchange for 'loans' continues with his love child Darling. The age of McEconomics is not done.

Date: 2007-09-19 09:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davywavy.livejournal.com
You're aware that Northern Rock have always been seen as staunch Labour supporters, aren't you? To quote: iNorthern Rock is a regional bank from Labour's North-Eastern electoral heartlands. Labour supporting figures are on the board. Sir Derek Wanless, Gordon's favourite banker, chairs the Risk and Audit committee. Sir Iain Gibson sits on both those committees and was appointed by Gordon to the Court of the Bank of England. As far back as the miners strike it has been seen as a "Labour" bank. In the eighties Conservative ministers were furious when striking miners were told not to worry about their mortgages by Northern Rock - removing a pressure on them to return to work

One wonders if Coutts would ahve got the bail-out if they'd gone to the wall.

Date: 2007-09-19 10:04 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I think they would. Gordon's record of Mcprudence would be trashed by any banking collapse. Cnut-like, he still thinks he can command the tides.

Date: 2007-09-19 10:13 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I once asked one of our senior partners how he made his fortune. "It was the last Labour Government" he said. "Taxes were so high that it didn't make sense for us to pay ourselves much, so I started buying dilapidated properties in the West End so I could set off the repairs." So that's what he did. He's got a pretty enviable portfolio now.

Labour - making property millionaires since 1974.

H

Date: 2007-09-19 10:17 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
It'll happen again. Sit on your cash & wait for the crash.

Date: 2007-09-19 10:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] christ1974.livejournal.com
Would you really want to be a bnk manager dave?

Sure I can see you chasing your secretary rouund the desk Ala Benny Hill....but bank manager?!?

Date: 2007-09-19 10:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davywavy.livejournal.com
I'd be a lousy bank manager - I can see the headlines now:

Fat Yorkshireman arrested in huge Fraud scandal!

"I did it because I was poor, hungry and desperate", said David through the window of his Jag, shortly before he was bundled away by police.

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