Magna Carta repealed: nobody notices.
Dec. 20th, 2004 10:24 amLast week the Law Lords pronounced that the indefinite detention of terror suspects without trial, as practiced by the Government under the Anti-Terrorism, Crime and Security Act, was unlawful. Not content with that, the Law Lords went on to say that: "[This case] calls into question the very existence of an ancient liberty of which this country has until now been very proud: freedom from arbitrary arrest and detention."
However, new Home Secretary Charles Clarke and Foreign Secretary Jack Straw have both issued statements which can be summarised as "La la la, we're not listening."
Should we be worried, or even unhappy about this? I'd say so, yes. The principle of not imprisoning people unlawfully has been on the statute books for the best part of the last thousand years, since it was formally introduced on the Magna Carta:
"A freeman shall not be amerced for a slight offense, except in accordancewith the degree of the offense; and for a grave offense he shall be amerced inaccordance with the gravity of the offense... and none of the aforesaid amercements shall be impsedexcept by the oath of honest men of the neighborhood."
What does this mean? It means trial by jury before banging someone up. The modern legal interpretation of this phrase is along the lines of "You can't lock someone up unless it either be by action of the law or judgement of their peers in the form of a jury." As the law by which the internees have been locked up has been declared illegal, and no trail by jury has taken place...oh, sod it. Why am I bothering? You've probably stopped reading by now, haven't you?
In the light of this I'd like to ask people to fill in a poll, just to know how you're thinking:
[Poll #406257]
As the Law Lords have ruled that the laws contravene EU Human right legislation, it means that Human Rights lawyers are going to have a field day in fees in the light of the Governments refusal to take action. If I were the sort of fellow who delights in Conspiracy Theories, I'd point out that the law is being driven by the Prime Minister, whose wife is a senior partner with Matrix Churchill - a major human right law office who are an organisation which stands to do Very Well Indeed out of this situation. Happily, the Law Lords have ordered that the cost of paying for appeals against any unlawful imprisonments are to be met by the government - and that is you and me, who cough up the taxes to fund the government. So we'll pay lawyers to challenge the legal framework put in place by the administration who we pay for. Great.
Still, at least Tony and Cherie will have a nice nest-egg for their retirements, won't they?
[Edit: I am surprised to learn that
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However, new Home Secretary Charles Clarke and Foreign Secretary Jack Straw have both issued statements which can be summarised as "La la la, we're not listening."
Should we be worried, or even unhappy about this? I'd say so, yes. The principle of not imprisoning people unlawfully has been on the statute books for the best part of the last thousand years, since it was formally introduced on the Magna Carta:
"A freeman shall not be amerced for a slight offense, except in accordancewith the degree of the offense; and for a grave offense he shall be amerced inaccordance with the gravity of the offense... and none of the aforesaid amercements shall be impsedexcept by the oath of honest men of the neighborhood."
What does this mean? It means trial by jury before banging someone up. The modern legal interpretation of this phrase is along the lines of "You can't lock someone up unless it either be by action of the law or judgement of their peers in the form of a jury." As the law by which the internees have been locked up has been declared illegal, and no trail by jury has taken place...oh, sod it. Why am I bothering? You've probably stopped reading by now, haven't you?
In the light of this I'd like to ask people to fill in a poll, just to know how you're thinking:
[Poll #406257]
As the Law Lords have ruled that the laws contravene EU Human right legislation, it means that Human Rights lawyers are going to have a field day in fees in the light of the Governments refusal to take action. If I were the sort of fellow who delights in Conspiracy Theories, I'd point out that the law is being driven by the Prime Minister, whose wife is a senior partner with Matrix Churchill - a major human right law office who are an organisation which stands to do Very Well Indeed out of this situation. Happily, the Law Lords have ordered that the cost of paying for appeals against any unlawful imprisonments are to be met by the government - and that is you and me, who cough up the taxes to fund the government. So we'll pay lawyers to challenge the legal framework put in place by the administration who we pay for. Great.
Still, at least Tony and Cherie will have a nice nest-egg for their retirements, won't they?
[Edit: I am surprised to learn that
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Date: 2004-12-20 11:03 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-12-20 11:08 am (UTC)Let's face it, Michael Howard has lost my support after he said he's all for compulsory ID cards (at this rate I'll be voting UKIP, and I'd really rather not have to do so).
Will you vote Labour next time? Will you?
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Date: 2004-12-20 11:04 am (UTC)*sigh*
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Date: 2004-12-20 11:18 am (UTC)thanks you guys.
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Date: 2004-12-20 11:08 am (UTC)UltimatlyI feel myself stuck with labour because there is no other option. I am politically opposed to the Cnservatives in almost every aspect, the Liberals maybe, but Kennedy is a clown evn if we could create an oposition out of them I would be worried about him in charge.
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Date: 2004-12-20 11:10 am (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2004-12-20 11:11 am (UTC)But still, blaming the Conservatives is a common piece of labour obfuscation, so I don't hold it against you.
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Date: 2004-12-20 11:13 am (UTC)No. I've been feeling seriously worried by the ATCS Act since it was brought in. Unfortunately, I have neither sniper rifle nor knowledge of how to use it.
I felt apathetic about the last election (Wantage is a reasonably safe Tory seat, and after a hard day's work I didn't feel like going to the effort of finding out where the polling station was to cast a pointless vote), but I'm now feeling sufficiently incensed by this government that come the next election intend to let them know my displeasure, even though casting my vote has even less point now I'm in the Henley constituency.
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Date: 2004-12-20 11:14 am (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2004-12-20 11:20 am (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2004-12-20 11:27 am (UTC)I would like to go for option other:
I didn't vote Labour last time, and I still won't. I just wish one of the other parties would actually make themselves electable, and soon.
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Date: 2004-12-20 12:34 pm (UTC)Ew.
I'm going to stop now.
Lib Dems
Date: 2004-12-20 12:56 pm (UTC)If people actually made a stand, campaigned and got involved at the veryleast they could become as big as the tories next year (i.e. both eith the same number of MP's post 2005 election.)
Voting for the Lib Dems will NOT make the tories win, but voting for nu labour means they have won anyway.
Re: Lib Dems
Date: 2004-12-20 01:45 pm (UTC)whichiswhyIseemtohavedecidedtojointheparty
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Date: 2004-12-21 10:36 am (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2004-12-21 09:05 am (UTC)I have been wondering for a while now about creating a party, no idea how to do it yet.
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