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A few years ago, one of the mental health charities had a poster campaign on the tube which aimed to bring home just how many people had problems with the slogan "More people in the UK suffer from mental health problems than watch Big Brother".
The only effect this had on me was to make me wonder, every time I saw it, what a Venn diagram of the two groups would look like.

Back when I was a student I would idle away the hours (sometimes days) between lectures in the library, reading the psychiatric literature. As it was a psychology course we had plenty of the stuff and you'd be surprised how entertaining some of it was - like all medical practitioners psychiatrists quickly develop a very black sense of humour which comes out strongly in the stuff which isn't produced for publication in offical journals.
Amongst the stuff which I read for actual research rather than just merriment was the bible of psychiatric diagnosis, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM), which is produced by American Psychiatrists and is used internationally to try and generate consistent diagnoses of mental illness. This is periodically updated to reflect current thinking in mental illness and so we had copies of several editions; the DSM II, the DSM III and the DSM III (revised), and one thing I noticed as I read was how the definitions and diagnostic criteria appeared to have expanded with every edition. It kinda seemed like in the original DSM you needed to dress up as Napoleon and stalk the streets of Whitechapel with an axe before you got diagnosed as having something wrong with you, but with every subsequent edition it took less and less to be identified as insane and needing treatment or even medication.

Now, leaving aside any pithy comments about whether it's a good idea for the leading diagnostic manual to be written by the same people whose financial interests are served by finding as many insane people as possible, it struck me at the time that this was a long term trend which might not be good and so I was interested to learn last week that the latest edition of the DSM - the DSM V - is on its final draft now. I wondered if the trend had continued, and when I looked into it I found that it has already generated a good deal of controversy. You see the DSM V now contains not only criteria for diagnosing people who have a mental illness, but also people who don't.

It's called "Psychosis Risk Syndrome" (or possible the less catchy "Attenuated Psychotic Symptoms Syndrome"), and basically anyone - anyone at all, even if they've never had any sign or symptom of mental illness in their life - can be diagnosed with it. Things which were once considered not unusual or at worst a bit eccentric are now grounds for diagnosis of being at risk of psychosis, and even the doctors involved admit that there is a 70 - 90% chance of false positives, meaning that people who do not have and will never have any sort of mental illness in their entire lives can still be diagnosed as having a problem and be liable for - gosh! - expensive treatment.

Other possible new critieria for mental illness include "Binge Eating", which comes as a a relief to me as that means I wasn't a greedy little bugger last weekend but instead just had a psychotic episode with a box of florentines, so at least there's something good come out of it.

Date: 2010-08-04 10:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madwitch.livejournal.com
Things which were once considered not unusual or at worst a bit eccentric are now grounds for diagnosis of being at risk of psychosis

Most of the people we know are probably in serious trouble.

Date: 2010-08-04 10:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davywavy.livejournal.com
That's the thing, innit. Twenty years ago they were perfectly normal - now they're hopeless dribbling loons (technical term), just due to a change in criteria.

Date: 2010-08-04 10:32 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
If things keep on like this, soon I shall be the only sane person left in the world.

And then I shall rule you all

H

Date: 2010-08-04 10:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davywavy.livejournal.com
I hereby diagnose you as suffering from Megolomania Risk Syndrome! Get her into the anti-thrash jacket, men.

Date: 2010-08-04 11:10 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
You're not getting paid for this, you know.

H

Date: 2010-08-04 11:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davywavy.livejournal.com
In your case, the job satisfaction will be payment enough.

Date: 2010-08-04 10:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ginasketch.livejournal.com
That this was classed as a mental illness pisses me off:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity_disorder

Date: 2010-08-04 11:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] belak-krin.livejournal.com
Bear in mind that 'treatment' does not mean 'removal'. Identifying that someone has GiD could be a an important step in helping them come to terms with it, alleviating numerous other psychiatric problems (depression, drug use, etc) that arise as a result of being unable to come to terms with it.

You also have to bear in mind that it is very important that extensive psychiatric investigation needs to take place prior to gender re-assignment to ensure that the desire isn't sympomatic of something else.

Date: 2010-08-04 11:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ginasketch.livejournal.com
But then surely society's attitude towards transpeople is the problem. Do transpeople need help coming to terms with their identity sometimes? Certainly, but classing it as a "mental illness" seems counterproductive, since it's not the gender issues that are the problem but the worry that they might be viewed as abnormal.

Date: 2010-08-04 11:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] belak-krin.livejournal.com
I could argue that society's attitude towards mental illness is the problem. Just because someone has mental health problems, it doesn't make them abnormal.

Date: 2010-08-04 11:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ginasketch.livejournal.com
I never said it did.

(mentally ill here)

Date: 2010-08-04 12:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] belak-krin.livejournal.com
No, but the implication/fact that GiD being on the DSM is counterproductive is an issue in both cases - if the stigma of mental health was not there, why would it be a concern for GiD to be included?

Diagnosis can be incredibly helpful for dealing with issues, feeling and thoughts that might otherwise be confusing and destressing.

If you think of GiD as being compared with being 'ill' then certainly it seems offensive, compare it instead with something like Autism, which is included on the DSM for obvious reasons.

Date: 2010-08-04 12:13 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Wait a minute, I thought David was pointing out that now everyone is ill, obviously those who seek to label us as such are scraping the barrel like crazy (ho ho) for lables to stick on us?

Date: 2010-08-04 12:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] belak-krin.livejournal.com
Well there is no such thing as 'mentally healthy' (never has been). There is a major ongoing argument over diagnosis vs. patients as individuals.

Psychiatrists don't roam the streets diagnosing and selling drugs (well, maybe in the states). Especially with something like "Attenuated Psychotic Symptoms Syndrome", if someone comes in with mental health issues, its something you put on their file to say 'at risk of psychosis', so when someone *starts* to exhibit psychotic signs, you might be able to begin treatment before the go the full hog and start asking God's advice over whether or not the post office are spying on them.

Date: 2010-08-04 12:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davywavy.livejournal.com
With a 70-90% misdiagnosis rate it's a useless marker. May as well just mark everyone and havhe done.

Date: 2010-08-04 01:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] belak-krin.livejournal.com
True. There's probably some chicken-egg questions over quality of diagnosis vs tools of diagnosis to be had. The current DSM contains awesome things like 'disassociative disorder not specified' (which could be 'I just don't feel like myself') and the brilliant 'mental disorder not otherwise specified' for anything that doesn't fit anywhere.

I'm not sure the changes to the DSM will make it anymore likely for you to be diagnosed with something, merely change the options for what they can assign to you if they feel like it.

Date: 2010-08-04 01:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davywavy.livejournal.com
So, like I say, putting the definition of the undefinable in the hands of the people in whose financial interest is tied up in the location of as many positive cases as possible may not be an entirely brilliant idea?

Gosh, who'd've thought that.

Date: 2010-08-04 01:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] belak-krin.livejournal.com
Thats possibly the advantage of the NHS - the last thing they want is more patients ;)

Date: 2010-08-04 01:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davywavy.livejournal.com
I disagree; the more dependants upon a bureaucratic system, the more it can claim to be underfunded and demand resources to expand.

If the NHS did what Clement Atlee said it would when he founded it I'd be a bigger fan of it than I am.

Date: 2010-08-04 02:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] belak-krin.livejournal.com
While that may be true of the bearucracy, the clinicians themselves get no boon from having additional 'fake' patients. They have more than enough real ones to struggle to see.

Date: 2010-08-04 02:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davywavy.livejournal.com
That's why the number of managers grew 12% last year; http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8587122.stm

The bureaucracy will expand to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy.

Date: 2010-08-04 04:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] belak-krin.livejournal.com
Ingenious!

Date: 2010-08-04 11:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] belak-krin.livejournal.com
The increasing range of 'mental disorder' is largely due to how difficult it is to pigeon-hole a mental health problem.

For example, Bipolar disorder currently has 3 forms (I, II and cyclithmia), with distinct criteria for each however individual cases of Bipolar symptoms rarely fit neatly into these categories. The DSM V is likely to reclasify it as a spectrum disorder like Autism, making identification and treatment easier on an individual basis.

Even with the current DSM you can diagnose pretty much anyone with something. The rule of thumb remains that it is genuine 'crazy' when it starts to interfere with your life.

A number of people who could be classified as having 'anti-social personality disorder' (pyschopaths if you will) live perfectly normal lives as successful businessmen/total dicks and require no treatment at all.

Date: 2010-08-04 11:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ginasketch.livejournal.com
A number of people who could be classified as having 'anti-social personality disorder' (pyschopaths if you will) live perfectly normal lives as successful businessmen/total dicks and require no treatment at all.

Sociopaths usually resist treatment anyway, unfortunately.

Date: 2010-08-04 12:05 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Clearly the private sector is a miracle cure for insanity!

H

Date: 2010-08-04 12:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davywavy.livejournal.com
I've established the health benefits of privatisation on here before now.

Date: 2010-08-04 12:47 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Unusually yes, people in the private sector are demonstrably happier and healthier than those in the state.

Date: 2010-08-04 11:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davywavy.livejournal.com
A number of people who could be classified as having 'anti-social personality disorder' (pyschopaths if you will) live perfectly normal lives as successful businessmen... and require no treatment at all.

I envy them.

Date: 2010-08-04 12:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] belak-krin.livejournal.com
maybe they can create 'guilt free' pills for the busy executive? I think they would look like giant piles of Cash.

Date: 2010-08-04 12:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davywavy.livejournal.com
God, yes, that'd cure anything I might have wrong with me.

Date: 2010-08-04 12:48 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Only if it was given to me. I think my being immensely wealthy would make you much more tolerable.

Date: 2010-08-04 12:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davywavy.livejournal.com
You'd be amazed just how sane I can be when given huge bundles of loot.

Date: 2010-08-04 09:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danfossydan.livejournal.com
I find it increasingly easy not to believe in mental illness. Which give my history is actively surprising. Its probably a good thing to have main stream thinking told that newly everyone is mentally ill. That way may be future generations will cope with their difficulties better than we do?

I remain very unconvinced in the therapeutic value of a diagnosis though, in almost all cases, I think they are expensive and not worthwhile.

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