"First of all I should say that I agree with davy" - Norman Tebbit.

That's a good point, and if you talk to certainly some UKIP voters (and SNP voters, in fact) on the internet they have the passionate intensity of the of convert, which will brook no disagreement I've had SNP supporters actively deleting comments which point out the flaws in their economic arguments - can't dispute what I say, so just wish it away instead.