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Those of you planning on going on any antiwar marches - do read this. It's not even by me, but it's got a lot of sense in it.


A war of liberation
The war that America is currently trying to justify is not

By Salman Rushdie
November 4, 2002
Source: The Washington Post

NEW YORK: Just in case it had slipped your memory - and as the antiwar protests grow in size and volume, it easily might have - there is a strong, even unanswerable case for a "regime change" in Iraq. What's more, it's a case that ought to appeal not just to militaristic Bushie-Blairite hawks but also to lily-livered bleeding-heart liberals; a case, moreover, that ought to unite Western public opinion and all those who care about the brutal oppression of an entire Muslim nation.

In this strange, unattractive historical moment, the extremely strong anti-Saddam Hussein argument isn't getting a fraction of the attention it deserves.

This is, of course, the argument based on his three and a half-decade-long assault on the Iraqi people. He has impoverished them, murdered them, gassed and tortured them, sent them off to die by the tens of thousands in futile wars, repressed them, gagged them, bludgeoned them and then murdered them some more.



Saddam Hussein and his ruthless gang of cronies from his home village of Tikrit are homicidal criminals, and their Iraq is a living hell. This obvious truth is no less true because we have been turning a blind eye to it - and "we" includes, until recently, the government of the United States, an early and committed supporter of the "secular" Saddam against the "fanatical" Islamic religionists of the region.

Nor is it less true because it suits the politics of the Muslim world to inveigh against the global bully it believes the United States to be, while it tolerates the all-too-real monsters in its own ranks. Nor is it less true because it's getting buried beneath the loudly made but poorly argued U.S. position, which is that Saddam is a big threat, not so much to his own people but to Americans.

Iraqi opposition groups in exile have been trying to get the West's attention for years. Until recently, however, the Bush people weren't giving them the time of day, and even made rude remarks about Ahmed Chalabi, the most likely first leader of a democratized Iraq. Now, there's a change in Washington's tune. Good. One may suspect the commitment of the Wolfowitz-Cheney-Rumsfeld axis to the creation and support of a free, democratic Iraq, but it remains the most desirable of goals.

This is the hard part for antiwar liberals to ignore. All the Iraqi democratic voices that still exist, all the leaders and potential leaders who still survive, are asking, even pleading for the proposed regime change. Will the American and European left make the mistake of being so eager to oppose Bush that they end up seeming to back Saddam, just as many of them seemed to prefer the continuation of the Taliban's rule in Afghanistan to the American intervention there?

The complicating factors, sadly, are this U.S. administration's preemptive, unilateralist instincts, which have alienated so many of America's natural allies. Unilateralist action by the world's only hyperpower looks like bullying because, well, it is bullying. And the United States' new preemptive-strike policy would, if applied, make America itself a much less safe place, because if the United States reserves the right to attack any country it doesn't like the look of, then those who don't like the look of the United States might feel obliged to return the compliment. It's not always as smart as it sounds to get your retaliation in first.

Also deeply suspect is the U.S. government's insistence that its anti-Saddam obsession is a part of the global war on terror. As Al Qaeda regroups, attacking innocent vacationers in Bali and issuing new threats, those of us who supported the war on Al Qaeda can't help feeling that the Iraq initiative is a way of changing the subject, of focusing on an enemy who can be found and defeated instead of the far more elusive enemies who really are at war with America.

The connection between Saddam and Al Qaeda remains comprehensively unproven, whereas the presence of the Qaeda leadership in Pakistan, and of Qaeda sympathizers in that country's intelligence services, is well known. Yet nobody is talking about attacking Pakistan.

Nor does America's vagueness about its plans for a post-Saddam Iraq and its own "exit strategy" inspire much confidence. Yes, the administration is talking democracy, but does America really have the determination to (a) dismantle the Baathist one-party state and (b) avoid the military strongman solution that has been so attractive to American global scenarists in the past - "our son of a bitch," as Franklin Roosevelt once described the dictator Somoza in Nicaragua?

Does it (c) have the long-term stomach for keeping troops in Iraq, possibly in large, even Vietnam-size numbers, for what could easily be a generation, while democracy takes root in a country that has no experience of it whatever; a country, moreover, bedeviled by internal divisions and separatist tendencies?

How will it (d) answer the accusations that any regime shored up by U.S. military power, even a democratic one, would just be an American puppet? And (e) if Iraq starts unraveling and comes apart on America's watch, is the administration prepared to take the rap for that?

These are some of the reasons why I, among others, have remained unconvinced by President Bush's Iraqi grand design. But as I listen to Iraqi voices describing the atrocities of the Saddam years, then I am bound to say that if, as now seems possible, the United States and the United Nations do agree on a new Iraq resolution; and if inspectors do return, and, as is probable, Saddam gets up to his old obstructionist tricks again; or if Iraq refuses to accept the new UN resolution; then the rest of the world must stop sitting on its hands and join the Americans and British in ridding the world of this vile despot and his cohorts.

It should, however, be said and said loudly that the primary justification for regime change in Iraq is the prolonged suffering of the Iraqi people, and that the remote possibility of a future attack on America by Iraqi weapons is of secondary importance. A war of liberation might just be one worth fighting. The war that America is currently trying to justify is not.

Author

Salman Rushdie, author of "Fury" and other novels, contributed this comment to The Washington Post ("The liberal argument for regime change" -- Novemver 2, 2002).

Date: 2003-02-13 01:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davywavy.livejournal.com
Pray explain to me here, firstly how we can possibly lose the moral high ground against someone who has gassed, shot, and starved hundred of thoousands of his own p[eople in submission, and secondly, why we need the moral high ground to save hundred of thousands more from a similar fate.

Do you think it's okay to sit back and let people carry right on dying to assuage your conscience of morality?

Date: 2003-02-13 08:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] twicedead.livejournal.com
Actually, yes. Morality is what this is all about.

Hussein has been doing this for years and he's been ignored and patted on the head for years. So why do they get to do this now and never before? Why here and not the other nations. It may do some good, but taking a massively dubious action (including carpet bombing many of these innocents - don't pretend they have precision strikes) is not the way to achieve it.

Date: 2003-02-13 09:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davywavy.livejournal.com
yes, morality is important - and I consider it an untenable position to hold that we should sit off and let people die because we feel a bit uncomfortable about stopping it.
I feel far less comfortable about letting it continue.
From: [identity profile] applez.livejournal.com
And that has never been resolved.

We ultimately have to judge for ourselves, and I can't find a driving reason to break every international convention of good conduct to go and attack Iraq.

As I discussed in a conversation last night, one good family friend suggested my worldview concerning this might be massively different if I were subject to the draft, and I agreed. I would either use my wealth to exile myself, or accept prison. I refuse to be direct party to murder, even as I now make what legal efforts I can to extracate myself from indirect links to policies I completely disagree with, and made on my behest.



From: [identity profile] davywavy.livejournal.com
The writing of John Buchan set in WW1 has several instances drawn from life of conscientious objectors acting with conspicuous bravery in non-combat roles, such as driving field ambulances and acting as messengers. Would it be safe to assume that you'd be happy to act in such as way?
From: [identity profile] applez.livejournal.com
Lesson 1 of the *reality* of the draft -

You are cannon fodder for the warring state to do as it pleases. You might *request* cook, driver, communications technician ... but in very many instances, it is these very support staff who are expected to fight as rifleman in the clutch.

Hell, in Vietnam, draftees were being fed into the Marines, that proud all-volunteer institution ... something *no one* talks about.

I simply don't think it would be realistic to expect to maintain one's pacifist beliefs in a military system - it just doesn't work that way...least of all in our modern battlefield of 'attacks of depth' and 'asymmetrical attacks.' To simply join, or allow to be drafted, and then hope for the best in such a system under what would necessarily be such a desperate situation is, frankly, to opt out of one's personal ethical decision-making.

Incidentally, this expectation of the fighting soldier as the barest minimum is thoroughly indoctrinated in the US's medical and engineering services. These soldiers are expected to fight even as they try to save lives or ford a barricade.

As for messengers, well we have moved on to hightech communications, with extensive infrastructure which is the backbone of the modern military machine. It is also, therefore, the prime target for any reasonable and able opponent. No thanks. I have even less desire to die than I have to kill (and knowing that, I think it would be irresponsible of me to put myself in the hands of someone else who would prefer to put me in the position of killing or being killed). Also, we may talk about the 'casualty-free' niceties of 'cyber warfare,' but most opponents have only direct violence to meet their technical goals.











From: [identity profile] davywavy.livejournal.com
Nor is the military mind blatantly stupid, regardless of what many say; having a combat soldier who flat refuseds to fight, throws away his gun at every opportunity and sings 'give peace a chance' is *not* someone you want in a fighting unit, due to the effects on morale of the rest of the troop. Like all things in life, there are ways to beat any system.
Hence allowing the non-cambatants to serve in other roles as the British did in WW1 - I'm unsure of the US structures and what they did or didn't do. Vietnam is really my only field of expertise with them.
From: [identity profile] applez.livejournal.com
Nor is the military mind blatantly stupid, regardless of what many say; having a combat soldier who flat refuseds to fight, throws away his gun at every opportunity and sings 'give peace a chance' is *not* someone you want in a fighting unit, due to the effects on morale of the rest of the troop.

True, if they have the luxury of such choice...precisely why they prefer the all-volunteer system now. The crucial point is that if they NEED to draft someone like me (who would be excluded for health reasons alone, normally), they probably wouldn't even be able to manage the 60-to-90-day training regime they used in the Second World War.

re: morale of the troop - yeah, I've always found that kind of funny. The primary goal of an army is unit cohesion and fighting spirit - not solving the problem laid before them. It is assumed the commanders know best and that violence is the only solution selected for them to execute. While that is probably true in most war circumstances, or very much becomes the 'truth' after a few shots are fired; I'd too readily question the orders on the scale of the larger picture, and cherish the great exceptions, like the 'football truce' of the First World War trenches. :-)

Like all things in life, there are ways to beat any system. Hence allowing the non-cambatants to serve in other roles as the British did in WW1 - I'm unsure of the US structures and what they did or didn't do. Vietnam is really my only field of expertise with them.

In the Second World War, many 'conscientious objectors' ended up in camps - some volunteered for hazardous duties like firefighting in the western forests, others to become human guinea pigs for medical experiments. Some volunteered as stretcher-bearers; most, however, were detained/imprisoned for their dissent. By 1980, I know that Uncle Sam made allowances for Quakers and Amish youth to serve in other federal programs, like the Peace Corps or the domestic variant to meet their service requirement in time of war.

That secondary exception I think is a bit farcical if it comes to a true national emergency, they'll have your name and address.

Furthermore, I don't think we can afford such luxurious divisions in the modern military, even with 95% logistics/5% fighting forces as I stated earlier about asymmetrical attacks and attacks of depth.

As it is, soldiers are already being shot at and killed in Kuwait, and proportionally, a fair share aren't first-line troops.

Everyone has to be ready (and willing) to fight at the drop of a hat, no matter their 'MOS.'

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