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...he will eat for a day. If you teach a man to fish, he will wreck the environment.

Re: Not so cut and dry as that, unfortunately

Date: 2003-10-03 10:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] applez.livejournal.com
1. Well, like it or hate it, but genetically-modified salmon are already been aquacultured, and some are escaping, and already we have Atlantic salmon outbreaks in the Pacific. Since whatever we do will be 'behind the curve,' better oversight and documentation will be needed at a minimum.

2. There are already some interesting hybrid market/planning solutions. Off the coast of Alaska, for example, there are strict rules about size of boats, type of technique, and numbers of licenses permitted to commercially fish in given areas. The permits are issued by the state's Fish & Wildlife authority, and are informed by wildlife biologists who monitor the population. That is a rational system solution.

In an alternative, said licenses would be freely marketed to buyers so long as fishing rules are strictly observed - I can't remember if that is the case with my Alaska example.

Beyond that, there is the natural shortcoming of territorial waters & policies governing these migratory species.

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Still, I wonder if fishing rights will again lead to shooting wars.

Re: Not so cut and dry as that, unfortunately

Date: 2003-10-03 11:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-boog351.livejournal.com
Remember when Spanish warships started escorting their trawlers to just outside Canadian territorial waters, after the Canadians threatened to stop any vessel that tried to do so? Yes, I think resource scraps are a definite for the future, even over fishing. Or have I just played too much Civ 3?

The Alaska ideas will work if quotas are set that allow fish stocks to grow, or stay constant - the problem is that in internatinal waters individual nations have no jurisdiction and we are back to the tragedy of the commons issue again, as factory trawlers sit outside territorial waters and clean up.

Re: Not so cut and dry as that, unfortunately

Date: 2003-10-03 11:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] applez.livejournal.com
Nah CivIII is just starting to reach the modelling sophistication needed to consider these resource issues and their solutions. I do wonder about greater political functionality though. :-)

As for extra-territorial migrating fish - yes, I take your point - which is why the challenge then becomes global fishing rules with global enforcement.

In the face of global challenges like this, it saddens me to see such a lack of leadership or real discussion on this. We've had 30 bloody years already! Nearly 10 since the last agreement on the Law of the Sea.

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