A rose by any other name
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davywavyThere was a piece in the paper this morning about the annual survey of most popular names for new babies in the UK, and how 'Mohammed' (in a massive variety of spellings' is now the most popular name for newborn boys. Now, this has led to some of the usual concerns about how Muslims are conquering the world, but all it says to me is that Islam isn't the world's most imaginative religion*, especially when it comes to names - I mean, Christianity gives almost a dozen from the disciples alone. I can't see 7,300 new Mohammeds tipping the demographics one way or another, to be honest.
More interesting to me are the names towards the bottom of the list, and what they say about the parents. Fourteen babies were unlucky enough to have parents so spectacularly dim they named the child 'Baby', and a similar number decided to curse their newborn with the name 'Gordon'. I'm not sure which is worse, as they imply a similar degree of mental acuity.
Moreover, it turns out that fewer people agree with Nick than was first assumed as that's the 1214th most popular name, compared to Cameron, 52nd.
But it's the bottom of the list which is the most entertaining (or depressing, depending on how you look at it). Terry Pratchett once wrote of a family who believed you could rise in society based on the names your children had, so they called all their kids things like King, Lord and Baron - and so here we find one boy called King and two called Lord, which I'm sure will come true later in life. Displaying a serious lack of interest in whether their child gets bullied at school, three sets of parents called their child Osama, and another fourteen thought that Harlem or Diesel would make ideal names for the gurgling budle of joy which they'd just spawned.
I ask you, what sort of person looks at a baby and thinks Diesel is a name which will set them up nicely for life? Or Harsh, which was similarly popular?
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raggedhalo once suggested, with a perfectly straight face (which was more than I managed to keep), that children should be taken from their parents at birth and raised by the state as that would be fair.
I dunno about fair, but in some cases it would be almost certainly be kinder if the parents were at least prevented from doing the naming.
*An accolade which probably goes to Scientology as a spectacular work of fiction, or maybe the Ordo Templii Orientis whose liturgy seeks to turn it's adherents into gods through the medium of booze, sweeties and naked ladies**.
**This has never worked, but it's not short of people who keep turning up for another try.
More interesting to me are the names towards the bottom of the list, and what they say about the parents. Fourteen babies were unlucky enough to have parents so spectacularly dim they named the child 'Baby', and a similar number decided to curse their newborn with the name 'Gordon'. I'm not sure which is worse, as they imply a similar degree of mental acuity.
Moreover, it turns out that fewer people agree with Nick than was first assumed as that's the 1214th most popular name, compared to Cameron, 52nd.
But it's the bottom of the list which is the most entertaining (or depressing, depending on how you look at it). Terry Pratchett once wrote of a family who believed you could rise in society based on the names your children had, so they called all their kids things like King, Lord and Baron - and so here we find one boy called King and two called Lord, which I'm sure will come true later in life. Displaying a serious lack of interest in whether their child gets bullied at school, three sets of parents called their child Osama, and another fourteen thought that Harlem or Diesel would make ideal names for the gurgling budle of joy which they'd just spawned.
I ask you, what sort of person looks at a baby and thinks Diesel is a name which will set them up nicely for life? Or Harsh, which was similarly popular?
raggedhalo once suggested, with a perfectly straight face (which was more than I managed to keep), that children should be taken from their parents at birth and raised by the state as that would be fair. I dunno about fair, but in some cases it would be almost certainly be kinder if the parents were at least prevented from doing the naming.
*An accolade which probably goes to Scientology as a spectacular work of fiction, or maybe the Ordo Templii Orientis whose liturgy seeks to turn it's adherents into gods through the medium of booze, sweeties and naked ladies**.
**This has never worked, but it's not short of people who keep turning up for another try.
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Date: 2010-10-28 10:34 am (UTC)Although I understand kibbutzim didn't quite work the way their originators intended.
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Date: 2010-10-28 10:36 am (UTC)Sometime in 2002, IIRC.
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Date: 2010-10-28 10:40 am (UTC)Huh. It's actually quite unlike me to delete comments (and really unlike me to delete posts), but who the deuce knows what was going on back in 2002?
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Date: 2010-10-28 10:43 am (UTC)I actually meant with regard to my mental state/intake of intoxicants. I recently re-read all of my LJ "back-issues," which wasn't quite as traumatic as I'd feared, but still relatively cringe-worthy at points. Still, what's youth for if not absurd pronouncements?
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Date: 2010-10-28 12:02 pm (UTC)If you were somehow obliged to pick which of your current beliefs you'd disagree with in eight years time, with real and serious consequences for picking correctly or incorrectly, what criteria would you use to pick them? Assume you have to pick at least one.
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Date: 2010-11-04 10:32 am (UTC)Y'know, barring time travel and stuff.
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Date: 2010-11-04 10:08 am (UTC)If he's waiting for me to try to become Chairman of the Board of some big company then I fear he may be waiting a very long time...
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Date: 2010-10-28 10:40 am (UTC)http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7522952.stm
More, and in fact worse names there.*
*My sons are called Taliesin and Caedmon, so I can't say too much on this topic.
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Date: 2010-10-28 12:34 pm (UTC)Just outside London.
But because I'm not a total sadist, they have middle names David and Thomas.
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Date: 2010-10-28 01:03 pm (UTC)And little Diesel was obviously named after what his parents were drinking when he was conceived.
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Date: 2010-10-28 05:21 pm (UTC)Just think of Gordon Banks, Gordon Greenidge, Gordon Strachan, Gordon Jackson, Gordon Gekko, General Gordon, Lord Byron, Brigadier Alistair Gordon Lethbridge-Stewart, Gordon the Big Engine, Gordon T Gopher, etc
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Date: 2010-10-29 06:22 pm (UTC)Mohammed wins when you include every single possibility of the spelling... the basic statement that Mehmet, Mahoma, Mohand, Mamede, Maxamed and Mamadou are supposedly the same name is just bollocks. They are not. This is not a matter of opinion- the names are NOT the same. Look closely- different sequence of letters and everything...
Because I do not see the self-same opinionated attention seeking twats who claim this ALSO then saying that Mark/Martin/Marc/Marco/Marcus/Martius/Martina/Marceau/Marcellus are the same name as well. Why not? They are also named after one religious figure and the varients are merely cultural/language splits (just like the Mohammed examples).
Shall i include John/Johann/Janos/Joao/Juan/Joan/Joana/Giovanni and Even as the same name? No?
Could it be the people who use THOSE names are white and the people who use the other names usually are not?
Oh, wait a minute... that's right... the people who report this stuff are either a) trying to grab money from old rope or b) ignorant twats or c) racist bastards.
But hey- here's to freedom of the press! The license to tell lies without ANY comback, or responsibility for your deed whatsoever...
(shakes head)
Mohammed is the most popular boys name in one part of the West Midlands.
That's the facts.
Sorry, this one sticks in my craw... I reckon the REAL story is that 15 years from now there will be a legion of brats called Oliver/Olivia (shudders)
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Date: 2010-11-02 01:33 pm (UTC)H
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Date: 2010-11-03 06:25 pm (UTC)Muhammad means "praiseworthy" & Madiha is a girl's name that I think means the same.
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Date: 2010-11-04 11:22 am (UTC)I think that should set her up nicely for life.
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