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There was a piece in the paper this morning about the annual survey of most popular names for new babies in the UK, and how 'Mohammed' (in a massive variety of spellings' is now the most popular name for newborn boys. Now, this has led to some of the usual concerns about how Muslims are conquering the world, but all it says to me is that Islam isn't the world's most imaginative religion*, especially when it comes to names - I mean, Christianity gives almost a dozen from the disciples alone. I can't see 7,300 new Mohammeds tipping the demographics one way or another, to be honest.

More interesting to me are the names towards the bottom of the list, and what they say about the parents. Fourteen babies were unlucky enough to have parents so spectacularly dim they named the child 'Baby', and a similar number decided to curse their newborn with the name 'Gordon'. I'm not sure which is worse, as they imply a similar degree of mental acuity.
Moreover, it turns out that fewer people agree with Nick than was first assumed as that's the 1214th most popular name, compared to Cameron, 52nd.
But it's the bottom of the list which is the most entertaining (or depressing, depending on how you look at it). Terry Pratchett once wrote of a family who believed you could rise in society based on the names your children had, so they called all their kids things like King, Lord and Baron - and so here we find one boy called King and two called Lord, which I'm sure will come true later in life. Displaying a serious lack of interest in whether their child gets bullied at school, three sets of parents called their child Osama, and another fourteen thought that Harlem or Diesel would make ideal names for the gurgling budle of joy which they'd just spawned.

I ask you, what sort of person looks at a baby and thinks Diesel is a name which will set them up nicely for life? Or Harsh, which was similarly popular?

[livejournal.com profile] raggedhalo once suggested, with a perfectly straight face (which was more than I managed to keep), that children should be taken from their parents at birth and raised by the state as that would be fair.
I dunno about fair, but in some cases it would be almost certainly be kinder if the parents were at least prevented from doing the naming.


*An accolade which probably goes to Scientology as a spectacular work of fiction, or maybe the Ordo Templii Orientis whose liturgy seeks to turn it's adherents into gods through the medium of booze, sweeties and naked ladies**.

**This has never worked, but it's not short of people who keep turning up for another try.

Date: 2010-10-28 10:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davywavy.livejournal.com
You did, I'm afraid. I can give you the date if you'd like because I spent an evening composing a reply to you only to get back the next day to find you'd deleted it, so I just have to go back to my old documents and check the creation date.

Sometime in 2002, IIRC.

Date: 2010-10-28 10:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raggedhalo.livejournal.com
(Gah, sorry!)

Huh. It's actually quite unlike me to delete comments (and really unlike me to delete posts), but who the deuce knows what was going on back in 2002?

Date: 2010-10-28 10:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davywavy.livejournal.com
Me - I have a spectacular memory for people saying foolish things which I reckon will come back to haunt them :)

Date: 2010-10-28 10:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raggedhalo.livejournal.com
*grin*

I actually meant with regard to my mental state/intake of intoxicants. I recently re-read all of my LJ "back-issues," which wasn't quite as traumatic as I'd feared, but still relatively cringe-worthy at points. Still, what's youth for if not absurd pronouncements?

Date: 2010-10-28 10:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crocodilewings.livejournal.com
So do you reckon you're done cooking now?

Date: 2010-10-28 11:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crocodilewings.livejournal.com
Well, what do you think Joe2018 will think about what you believe now?

Date: 2010-10-28 11:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raggedhalo.livejournal.com
I don't really know. I imagine the pace of change of my beliefs will reduce over time. My politics is (are?) a lot more defined (and probably a lot more radical, if less naive) now than they were back in '02. Traditionally, one gets less radical with age, but I'm not sure.

Date: 2010-10-28 12:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crocodilewings.livejournal.com
This is a bit of a weird question, but it's only just occured to me, so bear with me.

If you were somehow obliged to pick which of your current beliefs you'd disagree with in eight years time, with real and serious consequences for picking correctly or incorrectly, what criteria would you use to pick them? Assume you have to pick at least one.

Date: 2010-10-28 01:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davywavy.livejournal.com
part of my personal philosophy is based on the assumption that at least 50% of everything I believe is wrong, but I have no way of knowing which 50% and so it's a good diea for me to always be open to the idea. As such, I couldn't answer this question, but I do look forward to finding out.

Date: 2010-10-28 07:32 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
80% is usually about right.

Date: 2010-10-28 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davywavy.livejournal.com
Nah, I think you're wrong on that...

Date: 2010-11-04 10:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raggedhalo.livejournal.com
I guess recency of major shift. If it's changed in a big way recently then it seems reasonable that it might do so again in the not-too-distant future. Like, my views on religion (basically from strong to weak atheism, then to something vaguely spiritual, and back again) are probably the most fluid, albeit within a fairly narrow window. I would find it hard to believe that I would Get Religion in the next eight years, but who knows? Ten years ago I still thought I wanted to be a doctor.

Date: 2010-11-04 10:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crocodilewings.livejournal.com
I've been discussing this elsewhere, and have concluded that difficulty in answering this question is a good sign. Evidence that you're going to adopt a belief in the future should be indistinguishable from evidence for that belief.

Y'know, barring time travel and stuff.

Date: 2010-10-28 11:10 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I recall you have a screenshot of that quote just in case he ever tries to get elected.

Date: 2010-10-28 11:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davywavy.livejournal.com
It was on my old computer - it may be backed up onto the external hard drive, but I haven't looked for it.

Date: 2010-10-28 11:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raggedhalo.livejournal.com
Then he's missed several opportunities to use it...

Date: 2010-10-29 12:17 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
To a position of responsiblity.

Date: 2010-11-04 10:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raggedhalo.livejournal.com
Like a City Councillor or Member of Parliament? In which case, my point stands.

If he's waiting for me to try to become Chairman of the Board of some big company then I fear he may be waiting a very long time...

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