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...is that it presumes liberalism and libertarianism are the same thing.

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Where do you fall on the liberal - conservative political spectrum? (United States)
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Date: 2003-02-03 02:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] omentide.livejournal.com
Looks like it's American definitions of those terms and nothing to do with the UK political parties named after the base concepts.

The questions seemed to tackle moral, rather than political issues.

Libertarianism is, in many ways, at right angles to the Left Wing/Right Wing spectrum.

Though I'm still peeved that I came out further 'right' than you on this test. I was, after all, forced to attend Socialist Sunday School as a child. Perhaps I am finally managing to overcome my conditioning.
From: [identity profile] applez.livejournal.com
Best to simply go by stated agenda and actual actions. Then see how that pairs up to 'Left'/'Right'/'Centre'

Frankly, since the 1990s strategy of grabbing and holding the political centre (Clinton/Blair), strongly affiliated policy items have weakened.

Compared against, say the reactionary events in Denmark, Holland, and even Italy. Pim Fortyn's anti-immigrant stance might have strongly correlated with some American conservative positions, but the norm of Dutch social investment which is beyond debate far exceeds what even American liberals are struggling for.

My tuppence anyway. :-)

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Date: 2003-02-04 01:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davywavy.livejournal.com
Good for you! Don't let the commie brainwashing you were subject to as a child define you now!
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Re: Which commie brainwashing would that be?

Date: 2003-02-05 01:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davywavy.livejournal.com
Other than the BBC world service, anyway :)

Re: Which commie brainwashing would that be?

Date: 2003-02-05 08:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] applez.livejournal.com
Nah, sorry to deflate one's pride, but Radio Moscow actually spoke *better* English than the BBC ... even back in the days when Northerners and anyone vaguely real was exiled from the microphone for international broadcasts.

Also, I deleted the post because I didn't want to 'claim jump' after I saw who the comment was originally meant for.

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Yes, the Soviets did quite a few things really really well. Human capital was damned well invested in, even if it could never be properly marketed. Likewise, a lot of their military grade machinery was a bit roughshod, but those literal rust buckets would continue to work with a squeeze of oil and a load of fuel. By comparison, one dent in a western airframe, and then whole thing would have to go back in the shop for overhaul. ;-)

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Re: Which commie brainwashing would that be?

Date: 2003-02-05 08:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davywavy.livejournal.com
Yes, the Soviets did quite a few things really really well.

Never said otherwise - I'd say that we do more things better, however.

Likewise, a lot of their military grade machinery was a bit roughshod, but those literal rust buckets would continue to work with a squeeze of oil and a load of fuel. By comparison, one dent in a western airframe, and then whole thing would have to go back in the shop for overhaul. ;-)


Soviet military hardware was largely superior to western, at least in the late 80s' It was the development & expansion costs of that to compete with American military expansion during the Reagan era that bankrupted the Soviet ecoonomy and lead to the Soviet Union collapsing.
So using the military hardware comparison doesn't really help convince me of the superiority of the socialist model, you know :)

Re: Which commie brainwashing would that be?

Date: 2003-02-05 08:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davywavy.livejournal.com
Nah, sorry to deflate one's pride, but Radio Moscow actually spoke *better* English than the BBC

I'm less surprised by this that you might imagine - obviously the British are the people the world feels the need to compete with :)

Oh no!

Date: 2003-02-05 09:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] applez.livejournal.com
now i've visions of foreign competition for lower-caste Eastenders. ;-p

(yes, I'll ignore Coronation Street and the Aussie clones for now)

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Re: Oh no!

Date: 2003-02-05 02:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davywavy.livejournal.com
Eastenders was broadcast in the US on Masterpiece theartre, of all things, and was hailed as a suberb and accurate social drama. o.O

Re: Oh no!

Date: 2003-02-05 02:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] applez.livejournal.com
No no, that doesn't qualify ... that is a direct import after all ... hardly the competition we envision. :-)

By your definition, the US of A's remodeling of 'The Weakest Link,' 'Who Wants to be A Millionaire,' and 'Junkyard Wars' can genuinely rival the originals, with or without imported hosts.

Nah, has to be clone competition I tell you. :-)

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